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Posted - 2014.11.14 01:16:53 -
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Thera looks like a cool place. It won't work as a hub. The only hubs in PvP space that work are those used by major territory holding alliances where access to them can be controlled. Bubbles or no bubbles, anywhere that can be gotten to by anybody will fail as a trade hub. Thera will be taken over by a group. If that group runs some kind of police operation like an altered version of NRDS where they punish all aggressors, a diverse Mos Eisley culture will develop. But if the group that gains control of Thera ends up shooting anyone that isn't them, it will be used as a raid center.
Most likely the Goons will take it over and use its random connections to raid far off lands. |
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Posted - 2014.11.16 23:27:37 -
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Yeah I posted my initial skepticism about Thera as a trade hub a few pages back.
Putting a lot of entrances and exits into the system will make the system as a whole impossible to lock down. However, there are only 4 stations. 4 stations are not hard to lock down.
If CCP wants Thera to be a trade hub, they need to come up with some uniquely powerful station guns that work like CONCORD or something. Basically that will give us high sec stations in WH space.
Failing that, Thera can't be a trade hub. it can still be a really cool system for people to go visit. But it won't live up to its expectations until people can freely dock and undock from the stations. I am writing this post for the future. From what I am getting, when they say something is coming out during the next release, they are usually pretty much done with the major technological issues of it. They respond to feedback but usually only to adjust numbers or make changes that don't require much code. Anyway, my suspicion is that at this point Thera will be hitting the market as currently written. But for the expansion AFTER Thera, you could add some really intense station guns to make sure anybody can dock and undock. Then, given the huge number of entrances and exits from the system, savvy traders could get in and out.
The station guns should shoot bubbles as well as aggressive ships. |
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Posted - 2014.11.17 14:52:30 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:You know there is life outside of highsec. Indeed some people almost never venture into highsec. As for "we need lots of stuff before its good for trade and to live there". Our wormhole had no trade hub in it at all. We bring everything with us. In our old C2 there was at least 2 people who didn't even base out of a POS.
As for locking the system down. Well with only hics and interdictors, it is at least harder. Also there is a rumor that station guns may not like bubbles or bubblers. But we will have to see. Of course there is not a lot of point in doing this unless there is someone to play with. Even the f1 monkeys in the big corps get bored.
As for more stations? How many stations are in jita? I don't know, i only ever use one the very rare times i am there. Howmany of you have every used any of the other stations.
This place, and the 100 other new WH systems all sound like a lot of fun to me.
It will be a lot of fun.......for people to mess around, explore, and fight in.
It's just that CCP is hoping that it will be one of the most populated systems in space so they are making sure it has an uncrashable server. That won't happen.
They are making an exception to the no caps rule for freighters because they want it to become a trade hub. That won't happen.
The goons are going to come in and put 50 dictors at each of the 4 stations and perm camp it and blow up anyone who undocks.
Thera will be cool and it will be fun. It's just not going to be the Jita in WH space they hope it will be. The only way they will achieve their goals is to make the stations uncampable by having some station guns that shoot 500K HP damage at anything that violates a yellow safety setting within 10K of the station. If you want to make Thera a freeport, you need the 4 ports to be free. The rest of the system can be complete lawless WH space. But you have to protect the ports for docking and undocking.
I think everybody agrees with you that Thera is some very welcome and super cool new lore related content, the first in years (other than mission types and whatnot). It's a real major deal and we're all really excited. But it's not going to be one of the most populated systems in Eve rivaling Jita or anything. If they want that they need to protect the stations. |
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Posted - 2014.11.17 18:57:55 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Saisin wrote:I really like the reference Fozzie made about Sigil, the Dungeons & Dragons planescape city connected to all other realms and dimensions...
There is great potential, I am just concerned that four stations only may be too easy to shut down by the largest groups... That depends on the stations. What if they themselves were huge, and had multiple undocking points; you couldn't cloak up beside them with out being 10's of kilometers from the undock.
Or what if they had station guns that worked like CONCORD?
Thera will be really cool on release, but solutions to the station problem will need to be implemented with further releases. I guarantee it. |
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